(10-09-2014 07:13 AM)CodeZero Wrote: "wax" isn't exactly an element either, but that's still considered a Logia, so that argument can't really be used.
mr 3 isnt consider as a logia user, mr.3 is considered as a Paramecia User. you can see here
tho you are right that there are some logia DF who are not "elements" like: yami yami no mi
, beta beta no mi
and numa numa no mi
so your argument is still valid
i wold also like to add that the fact that jozu lost an arm dosnt mean anything about him being a lugia user.
an example of a lugia user who lost orgens is kuzan (aka Aokiji) who lost his leg, meaning that also strong lugia users in rare situations can loss their orgens.
i have never though about jozu as a logia user and i still think of him as a paramecia DF user, but now i dont think its impossible for him to be a logia DF user (tho that his lack of using logia DF powers and only useing his DF only as another skin/shield is make him look more as a paramecia then logia