(04-21-2017 12:34 PM)kaiser01 Wrote: such things always happen in db but man. u cannot tell me that 17 is normally suppose to fight on equal grounds against blue. come on man. is that even possible. its like saying that 17 can fight beerus. let me not go far jiren or toppo. or even hit or even vegeta. boy try to look at it again well. and 17 might have spent 5 to 7 years training but goku was training with whis and even used the time of chambers to improve for hit and even black. man thats completly insane. if db has made it that 17 could match goku then what do i have to say. but if i were to ask what training did that guy even under go. he matched goku and moreover u heard wat he said. that he is not going full power just for the fact he does not want to destroy the forest or some shit. guy teill me what does that mean. some one trained for 5 to 7 years in the earth withouth using time chamber while another used time chamber to train, trained with whis and stuffs. bro lets reason this out
Who knows how he trained? Maybe there is some new training he underwent? It's a show about people who can fly and bust up planets. If Toriyama wants him to be that strong he is that strong no matter how stupid the reason behind it may seem.
Well that means he is likely as strong as Goku.